Alternatives Access: Defensive Real Estate Today —The Net Lease Playbook
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JASMINE GREEN-HOGAN: Hello, everyone, and thanks for joining us. We're back for another episode of Alt Access. My name is Jasmine Green-Hogan. I'm an alternative investment specialist here at JP Morgan's Private Bank, and I'm thrilled that you're going to spend some time with us. We've got an exceptional guest today to talk us through what I think is the net lease playbook, and really going to explain to us what's happening in real estate today and why we should get excited.
So I want to say thank you and welcome to Marc Zahr, co-president of Blue Owl Capital. Thanks for being here.
MARC ZAHR: Thank you for having me. It's great to be here.
JASMINE GREEN-HOGAN: I think we're going to have a lot of fun.
MARC ZAHR: Me too.
JASMINE GREEN-HOGAN: All right, so I think we should just start with your view on real estate markets today. There's so much that's taken place over the last, really, one, three, and call it five years' time frame. From your vantage point-- you are all around the world, all around the country-- tell us what you're seeing and what you're thinking about.
MARC ZAHR: Look, I think give or take, over the last 36 months, commercial real estate has gotten a bad rap. You saw pricing decline. And the reason for that decline was because interest rates picked up relatively quickly. Inflation picked up. Credit availability fell off of a cliff. And the amount of capital raised from equity strategies to go out and do deals also went down. So it was the perfect storm.
And then when you see an environment like that, as I just mentioned, transaction volumes come down, and a lot of groups aren't going out and getting deals done. But that is actually the best time to go out and start doing deals, because you're seeing a pricing correction in the marketplace. So I think it's been the best buying opportunity that I've seen since the global financial crisis. We've been extremely active in the marketplace because buyers and sellers still need to do deals, and sellers, more recently, are open to taking a better price from a buying standpoint.
JASMINE GREEN-HOGAN: Sure. And we'll get into it a little bit later in the conversation about how, in moments of distress or decline more broadly across the market, it could be an interesting opportunity for buying. We think for just real estate in general and portfolios, it has the potential for somewhat of inflation protection, diversification, if anything, and oftentimes, the potential for income in a portfolio. That's oftentimes why we use it in a portfolio.
And that's the why always, not even the why now. If we jump into our idea one today, for anyone who's joining us and taking a peek at the slides, I'd love for you to bring to life a little bit more of the why now. You alluded to the market environment over the past 36 months creating an interesting opportunity. But if you were talking or having the conversation like we are today, what are the dynamics that have changed that maybe make today interesting?
MARC ZAHR: So it depends on which sectors in commercial real estate you're looking to buy.
JASMINE GREEN-HOGAN: Always.
MARC ZAHR: And for us, what we are always focused on is where we see a supply-demand imbalance. And so there are a few areas that we think are really interesting. One that we spend a lot of time talking about, more than I'd like to, is data centers.
JASMINE GREEN-HOGAN: Sure, all of us included.
MARC ZAHR: So there's just-- when you take a step back and you think about the amount of capex that some of the largest companies with, in my opinion, excellent credit ratings are looking to build out their digital infrastructure footprint, it makes that a very interesting opportunity. Another area that we've been spending a lot of time in thinking about is the onshoring movement-- again, capex needs in manufacturing specifically as we're building here on US soil. Other sectors that we like-- cold storage. When you look at the macro theme there and you think about where assets are pricing, it becomes really interesting.
JASMINE GREEN-HOGAN: One of the things that I think has always been true about real estate is when it's institutionally managed, when you have the right partner, you've done your diligence, you can bring to life some of these key benefits or potential benefits across sectors. I think one of the things that I wanted us to spend time on today-- and the idea too, for those of you who are joining us-- is it's not always just the sector. It can be the structure.
And I think for you and your history in the real estate space, what's really been incredible is the work in the triple net lease space. So for clients who are maybe joining us for the first time-- let's say they don't what a triple net lease is. Walk us through what this structure is and why it can make sense in a portfolio in real estate in particular.
MARC ZAHR: So a triple net lease is a lease where the tenant in the building, not us as the landlord or the investor, is paying the taxes, insurance, and maintaining the asset. And when you structure it well, obviously, they're also paying the utilities and the capex. So I think-- again, I say this all the time-- I'm biased-- but it's one of the most elegant structures that you can have.
So we are a diversified real estate asset manager, but what we are myopically focused on is structure. Because if you can structure your deals where the tenant in the building, not us as the landlord, is covering the expense side of the equation, you've really done a nice job mitigating risk in my opinion.
JASMINE GREEN-HOGAN: What are the complexities that might exist in something like a triple net lease structure? Why isn't everyone doing this?
MARC ZAHR: I think there's a lot of groups that are, and I think that it is much more common than people think. I think a triple net lease is, when you're thinking about an industrial asset or a retail property or a data center, is actually the common lease type. Now, how well a triple net lease is written, there's some variability there. And the other aspect that I think is key is duration of the lease.
So from our perspective, something we want to focus on is long-duration leases, which should, if the tenant pays as they're obligated to do-- should give you visibility on your net operating income for as long as the contract or the lease is in place.
JASMINE GREEN-HOGAN: And I think one of the things that's interesting about what you said is it being sort of a common structure or common practice, maybe we're just less familiar with it. One of the things that I think would be helpful in bringing to life is there's this idea that maybe a triple net lease is too good to be true. And idea three or slide three really brings this to life, is there are benefits for both the tenant and investors, because you don't get something for nothing, as they say. So I'm curious what you think are both sides of the equation. It makes a ton of sense for the landlord. Why does this make sense for the tenant?
MARC ZAHR: Yeah, well, look again, taking a big step back, these companies are not in the business of owning and managing real estate. They're in the business of doing something else. A grocer's in the business of selling their produce or whatever it may be from their grocery store. A data center is doing what a data center is doing.
So if you take a step back and you think of it from this perspective, and if you focus on just investment grade-rated companies, the amount of PP&E, property, plant, and equipment-- because not every single company discloses real estate as a line item-- is in the trillions. And they don't earn anything to own those assets.
People aren't investing in Amazon because of their real estate footprint.
JASMINE GREEN-HOGAN: That's right. I want my two-day shipping.
MARC ZAHR: That's exactly right. It's an inefficient use of their capital base. So what people and groups like ours should be doing is helping those companies unlock the value tied up in their real estate so they can redeploy back into operations, make an acquisition, pay down debt, et cetera.
JASMINE GREEN-HOGAN: And it, one, brings to life the simple reminder that operating businesses have a core business, and being a real estate landlord or owner is typically weighing them down. That's not their core business, so this makes a ton of sense. What are the things, maybe, that I'm not thinking of when it comes to risk or just key considerations?
If a client is assessing this and saying, OK, that makes sense from a landlord perspective, it makes sense from the tenant perspective, what are the things, as an investor, that they should be keeping their eye on or just things that they should be thinking about when they come to the space for the first time?
MARC ZAHR: So just like any investment, there's a number of things to take into consideration. One of the benefits of a triple net lease is what we just talked about. The expense side of the equation should be covered by the tenant in the building. Now, that's only as good as the credit quality of the tenant in the building that's agreeing to take on that expense out of the equation and pay you rent on top of that.
So one of the things that I think investors should be spending time on is credit quality of the underlying tenant, which is interesting because you don't hear a lot of real estate strategies talk about tenant credit quality. The other thing is you're still buying real estate, so you still need to do your real estate underwriting as part of this project, understanding is this a good market. How does the rent compare in this market to assets?
Another aspect which a lot of groups, I don't think, spend as much time on, but is really important, is how important is the asset, how mission-critical is it to the company that wants to occupy that space. So if, for some reason, that company doesn't want to be there, how quickly can you replace them with somebody else that wants to do that? But just to be clear, if you structure your lease the right way, they're still obligated to pay the rent for the life of the lease.
JASMINE GREEN-HOGAN: And I think part of what you're describing also is what you alluded to earlier on the duration of these leases. Will you talk a little bit about in tandem with the credit quality of the tenant with your ability to, one, maybe secure the length of time in leases? Is longer always better? How do you think about the durability or potential durability for a lease in the duration of them?
MARC ZAHR: So that's a good question. So again, I debate this all the time with people, other investors, partners, peers in the industry. I don't think that you can debate that a gross lease is better than a triple net lease. Again, in any situation, would you rather be responsible for paying the expenses, or would you rather have your counterparty responsible for paying the expenses?
JASMINE GREEN-HOGAN: That's a no-brainer.
MARC ZAHR: That's a no-brainer, right? So it comes down to-- the debate is duration. So if you are signing a three-year lease, that means that you are making a bet that you believe in 36 months, that you can replace that tenant with some other tenant that's going to pay you more. And so from my perspective, I can't tell you what's going to happen next month, let alone in 36 months.
And so the view that we take is as longer is better. The more lease term that you have, the more contractual rent is coming in. And remember, because of the lease structure, I go back and say it's not rent. Its net operating income. So it's actually the bottom line. The longer you have that and the more contractual net operating income growth or rent growth you have, the better. I think it's just simplistic.
JASMINE GREEN-HOGAN: And the mitigation, too-- what we hear oftentimes in contractual parts of portfolios is the releasing risk is what you're describing. It's helpful to have you bring it to life in that way. I think one of the things clients continue to think about and really ask us about in any conversation across asset classes, not even just real estate, is, what has the asset class done historically? And we know that past performance isn't always the best indicator of go-forward but I do think seeing what an asset class or what a sector has done in times of distress can be helpful-- for one, just assessing what level of risk you may be stepping into, but also having an understanding of what liquidity may exist and what liquidity might not exist.
So idea four, for everyone who's still trekking along with us-- this, I think, brings to life, again, the net lease sort of income that has existed historically through a particular period of time here, '08 through 2010. How do you think about how this asset class has performed through times of volatility, and what are your expectations in general for how you think about the way it fares through further cycles?
MARC ZAHR: So again I go back to this, and I'm extremely biased because it's what we've built our real assets platform on and what we believe is the right durable nature of investing. And so when you go back to the global financial crisis, you saw a lot of asset classes' values drop dramatically. Long-duration, triple net lease backed by investment-grade tenants held up really, really well. Because again, you're sitting there in a situation where that net rent was still coming in every single month unless you saw a default from the company on paying the rent, which was really, really low during that period of time.
Another great example of this was not in the global financial crisis, was during the global pandemic. I think it's the first real test that any of us faced as investors after the GFC about 11 years or so later. And so the easiest way to measure a real estate manager during that period of time is, how much rent did they collect when the world was shut down? And I think if you look at the data, historically, net lease did far better than most other sectors from a rent collection standpoint.
JASMINE GREEN-HOGAN: Sure. And I can imagine that if you've done your diligence, you're working with an institutional partner who has the capability, the scale, the resources, the team, and again, deep focus on structure and credit quality. I can imagine, too, that you stepped into it with the expectation that distress could, in fact, happen.
MARC ZAHR: Absolutely.
JASMINE GREEN-HOGAN: Yeah. And again, exactly one of the things that you were speaking to as far as risk and key considerations that clients should be thinking about. So the thing that I want us to end on, idea five, is just all of the things we should get excited about. You talked a little bit about sectors when we first started, mentioned cold storage, mentioned data centers.
But I think in the spirit of the triple net lease playbook, if you will, that you've experienced and that you've built your platform and your business on, what is it about essential retail, industrial, cold storage, and data center, as just three examples, that get you most excited? And are there any shifts you expect to see over the next decade, or really a continuation of maybe these three sectors in focus?
MARC ZAHR: So generally, people hate my answer when I give this.
JASMINE GREEN-HOGAN: OK, well, I'll brace myself.
MARC ZAHR: Yeah, because look, we try to be-- I try to be-- and I try to talk to our team about this all the time-- try to be sector-agnostic. And most groups that you talk to say we have this view, we have this theme that this is where we want to be allocating money. And I think you can get in trouble with that.
So you want to be nimble enough to say, OK, where do we see the most value today? And then go back to your disciplined criteria. A triple net lease-- check. Long duration, i.e. 15-plus years-- check. Good credit quality, having a counterparty that you feel good about-- check. Focusing on your entry point, not just saying, oh, we love this market or we love this sector, and we're willing to pay anything to get in there because there's going to be so much growth.
So for all those reasons, we try to be sector-agnostic. That said, since probably 2017, until very recently, there were two main sectors that we have focused on because they have been, in our opinion, extremely resilient. One is essential retail. What's essential retail?
Essential retail are assets that most of us use regardless of the economic environment-- grocery store, gas and convenience, auto parts retailerm and industrial. And when people talk about industrial, they say it in such a general sense. Within industrial, there are so many different subsectors.
So we like distribution. There's a lot of robotics and automation happening in that sector today. We think that's really interesting. We like manufacturing, light and heavy. And a lot of groups stayed away from heavy manufacturing. We think it's actually very compelling because of the mission criticality to the companies. They pour so much money into the asset themselves.
And last and certainly not least is what we talked about earlier, which is data centers. Supply-demand imbalance is unlike anything that I have seen. And then when you double click on that supply demand imbalance and you look at the nature of those leases-- the structures, the length, the net operating income growth, and the credit quality of those hyperscalers-- Microsoft, Google, Amazon-- they are some of the best credits around. And so from our perspective, that's where we are seeing the most value today.
JASMINE GREEN-HOGAN: Sure. And I love you bringing to life some of the hyperscalers-- one, for their credit qualityness, all investment-grade in nature. But I think it also speaks to how you're thinking about the sectors. To your point around being agnostic, you're not doubling down or building a portfolio around one theme or one sector because you feel like you have to, but looking for the best opportunities.
When you think about a go-forward, just in the spirit of all that's happening with AI and the build-out around data centers and continued growth there, what is your expectation, call it, for the next decade? Is it just further growth? Is there a tap-out in spending? How are the companies and partners that you're talking to thinking about their growth? Is there a slowdown near term?
MARC ZAHR: We are not seeing any slowdown anywhere. And so again, when you're not seeing any slowdown anywhere and you are in a good position from a capital standpoint, i.e. to pick and choose what deals you want to do--
JASMINE GREEN-HOGAN: Sure. I'm sure that's key.
MARC ZAHR: You can be really selective. You can focus on the best credit quality. You can not agree to certain things in leases that others may agree to. So being extremely selective and sticking to your criteria and trying to reduce risk where you can is what every investor should be focused on.
JASMINE GREEN-HOGAN: Sure. In the spirit of things that investors should be focused on, do you think there's one common misconception with the triple net lease structure or this part of the business that maybe people have wrong or just thinking about in a different way?
MARC ZAHR: Yeah, and I think it was actually proven out very recently. I think for many years, investors, and maybe other groups that didn't do this, would say that net lease isn't a good inflation hedge because in a rising inflationary environment, you should be able to increase your rents so dramatically. But what's key, and what we just saw in the environment that we just lived through-- what happens in an inflationary environment? What definitely goes up is the expense side of the equation.
JASMINE GREEN-HOGAN: That's right.
MARC ZAHR: Taxes go up dramatically. Insurance costs go up dramatically. In some of the best real estate markets, California and Florida, you couldn't even get insurance at a certain period of time.
JASMINE GREEN-HOGAN: That's right.
MARC ZAHR: The cost to build increases so much. Your utilities go up-- all of these things that, if you are in a gross lease, you're on the hook for. So you're trying to catch up to all these expenses. And if you're in a short-duration asset, you're trying to increase your rent more than this expense that's running away from you. And if you're in the wrong sector, such as multi-tenant office at that time period, you're in trouble. So I think net lease is an excellent inflation hedge because the tenant in the building is covering the expense side of the equation, and your net operating income is going up contractually.
JASMINE GREEN-HOGAN: Sure. Just another lever in the playbook that clients can be thinking about to build into their portfolios. That's super helpful.
Well, one, I want to thank you for your time. We got five ideas. I think we did it in 25 minutes. But I really want to thank all of you who joined us this morning or this afternoon, wherever you're watching and listening from. We will continue to have these conversations. I hope they resonate. I hope they're helpful.
But in the spirit of time, I think I can sneak maybe one more in. And I think one of the things that I just want us to end on is in all that you've seen over the past-- call it 12 months-- you speak to a lot of investors. You speak to a lot of strategic partners. Is there anything that you've heard in every single conversation?
And I'm sure you've talked about geopolitical risk and all of the conflict that's happening around the world. You've talked about data centers and AI and so on and so forth. But is there anything that every investor, every partner that you were talking to was thinking about? Maybe it was inflation, maybe it was the administration. What are the things, maybe, that you're hearing around the world that people are thinking about?
MARC ZAHR: I can't say every, but I can say something that has dominated most of the conversations that I've had recently is much more of a focus on durability of income versus chasing total returns. It seems to me that based on the environment that we've just lived through, investors are much more focused on something that they can count on. And I know it's hard to say that you can count on anything, but I think that's why this is resonating so much more in the conversations that I'm having.
JASMINE GREEN-HOGAN: Sure. Well, one, I think interesting because it's not too dissimilar from a lot of the client conversations I've had over the past year. I think more than ever, real estate has entered the conversation again. Infrastructure has entered the conversation again, really for all of the reasons we love-- lower correlation to public equities, again, inflation protection to the extent you can build that in, and ultimately, diversification in a portfolio. So thank you for bringing that to life.
And I want to thank everyone for their time. We'll be back next month with another episode. Thank you all for spending time with us.
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JASMINE GREEN-HOGAN: Hello, everyone, and thanks for joining us. We're back for another episode of Alt Access. My name is Jasmine Green-Hogan. I'm an alternative investment specialist here at JP Morgan's Private Bank, and I'm thrilled that you're going to spend some time with us. We've got an exceptional guest today to talk us through what I think is the net lease playbook, and really going to explain to us what's happening in real estate today and why we should get excited.
So I want to say thank you and welcome to Marc Zahr, co-president of Blue Owl Capital. Thanks for being here.
MARC ZAHR:
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Thank you for having me. It's great to be here.
JASMINE GREEN-HOGAN: I think we're going to have a lot of fun.
MARC ZAHR: Me too.
JASMINE GREEN-HOGAN: All right, so I think we should just start with your view on real estate markets today. There's so much that's taken place over the last, really, one, three, and call it five years' time frame. From your vantage point-- you are all around the world, all around the country-- tell us what you're seeing and what you're thinking about.
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Look, I think give or take, over the last 36 months, commercial real estate has gotten a bad rap. You saw pricing decline. And the reason for that decline was because interest rates picked up relatively quickly. Inflation picked up. Credit availability fell off of a cliff. And the amount of capital raised from equity strategies to go out and do deals also went down. So it was the perfect storm.
And then when you see an environment like that, as I just mentioned, transaction volumes come down, and a lot of groups aren't going out and getting deals done. But that is actually the best time to go out and start doing deals, because you're seeing a pricing correction in the marketplace. So I think it's been the best buying opportunity that I've seen since the global financial crisis. We've been extremely active in the marketplace because buyers and sellers still need to do deals, and sellers, more recently, are open to taking a better price from a buying standpoint.
JASMINE GREEN-HOGAN: Sure. And we'll get into it a little bit later in the conversation about how, in moments of distress or decline more broadly across the market, it could be an interesting opportunity for buying. We think for just real estate in general and portfolios, it has the potential for somewhat of inflation protection, diversification, if anything, and oftentimes, the potential for income in a portfolio. That's oftentimes why we use it in a portfolio.
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Slide: Real estate fundamentals appear to be improving. Private equity provides access to high-growth sectors and innovative companies, offering clients unique opportunities that are increasingly absent from public markets. The left panel, titled Net Lease Assets Have Repriced, has two callout boxes reading -21% Asset Repricing (2022 to 2024) and approximately 30bps Change in Values (2024 to 2025). A bar chart rises across four years, navy at 2022 at 5.66%, teal at 2023 at 5.29%, orange at 2024 at 6.85%, and tan at 2025 at 6.87%. The right panel, titled Debt Cost & Availability Have Improved, has two callout boxes reading +239% Increase CMBS Issuance and -17% Reduction in Total Financing Cost. A combined chart plots CMBS Issuance in dollars in billions as bars and Total Financing Cost as a line. The navy bars climb across three years labeled 2022, from $47B to $113B to $158B, while the black line falls from 6.99% to 6.37% to 5.82%. Source: Northmarq Single-Tenant Overall Market 4Q2025; https://www.northmarq.com/trends-insights/research-library/marketsnapshot. Financing costs = loan spreads from Green Street News Commercial Mortgage Alert (CMA) reports + 10-year US Treasury rates; CMBS issuance statistics from JPM Credit Monthly as of 02/09/2026.
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that's the why always, not even the why now. If we jump into our idea one today, for anyone who's joining us and taking a peek at the slides, I'd love for you to bring to life a little bit more of the why now. You alluded to the market environment over the past 36 months creating an interesting opportunity. But if you were talking or having the conversation like we are today, what are the dynamics that have changed that maybe make today interesting?
MARC ZAHR: So it depends on which sectors in commercial real estate you're looking to buy.
JASMINE GREEN-HOGAN: Always.
MARC ZAHR: And for us, what we are always focused on is where we see a supply-demand imbalance. And so there are a few areas that we think are really interesting. One that we spend a lot of time talking about, more than I'd like to, is data centers.
JASMINE GREEN-HOGAN: Sure, all of us included.
MARC ZAHR: So there's just-- when you take a step back and you think about the amount of capex that some of the largest companies with, in my opinion, excellent credit ratings are looking to build out their digital infrastructure footprint, it makes that a very interesting opportunity. Another area that we've been spending a lot of time in thinking about is the onshoring movement-- again, capex needs in manufacturing specifically as we're building here on US soil. Other sectors that we like-- cold storage. When you look at the macro theme there and you think about where assets are pricing, it becomes really interesting.
JASMINE GREEN-HOGAN: One of the things that I think has always been true about real estate is when it's institutionally managed, when you have the right partner, you've done your diligence, you can bring to life some of these key benefits or potential benefits across sectors. I think one of the things that I wanted us to spend time on today-- and the idea too, for those of you who are joining us-- is it's not always just the sector. It can be the structure.
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Slide: What is a triple net lease? A net lease is a type of real estate lease agreement in which a tenant is responsible for additional expenses on top of the base rent. A triple net lease (NNN) refers to a net lease in which the tenant is responsible for the taxes, insurance, and maintenance of a property. Net leases typically contain annual contractual rent escalators which can provide investors predictable and steadily increasing income. A diagram has two boxes connected by an arrow labeled Contractual rent payments. The left box, titled Tenant, lists Taxes, Insurance, Maintenance with icons. The right box, titled Blue Owl, lists Landlord receives rent without variable expense exposure, Long-term lease obligations mitigate vacancy risk, Target contractual 2% annual rent escalations provide clarity on future cash flows. A banner below reads NNN can create predictable cash flow from long term rents, net of expenses. This content was created and provided by Blue Owl Capital. For Illustrative Purposes Only. There can be no assurance that Blue Owl Real Estate will be able to implement its investment strategy and achieve its investment objectives. All investments are subject to risk, including the loss of the principal amount invested. Lease payments made net of all operating expenses. Operating expenses include but are not limited to maintenance, taxes, utilities, insurance, and capital expenditures.
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I think for you and your history in the real estate space, what's really been incredible is the work in the triple net lease space. So for clients who are maybe joining us for the first time-- let's say they don't what a triple net lease is. Walk us through what this structure is and why it can make sense in a portfolio in real estate in particular.
MARC ZAHR: So a triple net lease is a lease where the tenant in the building, not us as the landlord or the investor, is paying the taxes, insurance, and maintaining the asset. And when you structure it well, obviously, they're also paying the utilities and the capex. So I think-- again, I say this all the time-- I'm biased-- but it's one of the most elegant structures that you can have.
So we are a diversified real estate asset manager, but what we are myopically focused on is structure. Because if you can structure your deals where the tenant in the building, not us as the landlord, is covering the expense side of the equation, you've really done a nice job mitigating risk in my opinion.
JASMINE GREEN-HOGAN: What are the complexities that might exist in something like a triple net lease structure? Why isn't everyone doing this?
MARC ZAHR: I think there's a lot of groups that are, and I think that it is much more common than people think. I think a triple net lease is, when you're thinking about an industrial asset or a retail property or a data center, is actually the common lease type. Now, how well a triple net lease is written, there's some variability there. And the other aspect that I think is key is duration of the lease.
So from our perspective, something we want to focus on is long-duration leases, which should, if the tenant pays as they're obligated to do-- should give you visibility on your net operating income for as long as the contract or the lease is in place.
JASMINE GREEN-HOGAN: And I think one of the things that's interesting about what you said is it being sort of a common structure or common practice, maybe we're just less familiar with it. One of the things that I think would be helpful in bringing to life is there's this idea that maybe a triple net lease is too good to be true.
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And idea three or slide three really brings this to life, is there are benefits for both the tenant and investors, because you don't get something for nothing, as they say. So I'm curious what you think are both sides of the equation. It makes a ton of sense for the landlord. Why does this make sense for the tenant?
MARC ZAHR: Yeah, well, look again, taking a big step back, these companies are not in the business of owning and managing real estate. They're in the business of doing something else. A grocer's in the business of selling their produce or whatever it may be from their grocery store. A data center is doing what a data center is doing.
So if you take a step back and you think of it from this perspective, and if you focus on just investment grade-rated companies, the amount of PP&E, property, plant, and equipment-- because not every single company discloses real estate as a line item-- is in the trillions. And they don't earn anything to own those assets.
People aren't investing in Amazon because of their real estate footprint.
JASMINE GREEN-HOGAN: That's right. I want my two-day shipping.
MARC ZAHR: That's exactly right. It's an inefficient use of their capital base. So what people and groups like ours should be doing is helping those companies unlock the value tied up in their real estate so they can redeploy back into operations, make an acquisition, pay down debt, et cetera.
JASMINE GREEN-HOGAN: And it, one, brings to life the simple reminder that operating businesses have a core business, and being a real estate landlord or owner is typically weighing them down. That's not their core business, so this makes a ton of sense. What are the things, maybe, that I'm not thinking of when it comes to risk or just key considerations?
If a client is assessing this and saying, OK, that makes sense from a landlord perspective, it makes sense from the tenant perspective, what are the things, as an investor, that they should be keeping their eye on or just things that they should be thinking about when they come to the space for the first time?
MARC ZAHR: So just like any investment, there's a number of things to take into consideration. One of the benefits of a triple net lease is what we just talked about. The expense side of the equation should be covered by the tenant in the building. Now, that's only as good as the credit quality of the tenant in the building that's agreeing to take on that expense out of the equation and pay you rent on top of that.
So one of the things that I think investors should be spending time on is credit quality of the underlying tenant, which is interesting because you don't hear a lot of real estate strategies talk about tenant credit quality. The other thing is you're still buying real estate, so you still need to do your real estate underwriting as part of this project, understanding is this a good market. How does the rent compare in this market to assets?
Another aspect which a lot of groups, I don't think, spend as much time on, but is really important, is how important is the asset, how mission-critical is it to the company that wants to occupy that space. So if, for some reason, that company doesn't want to be there, how quickly can you replace them with somebody else that wants to do that? But just to be clear, if you structure your lease the right way, they're still obligated to pay the rent for the life of the lease.
JASMINE GREEN-HOGAN: And I think part of what you're describing also is what you alluded to earlier on the duration of these leases. Will you talk a little bit about in tandem with the credit quality of the tenant with your ability to, one, maybe secure the length of time in leases? Is longer always better? How do you think about the durability or potential durability for a lease in the duration of them?
MARC ZAHR: So that's a good question. So again, I debate this all the time with people, other investors, partners, peers in the industry. I don't think that you can debate that a gross lease is better than a triple net lease. Again, in any situation, would you rather be responsible for paying the expenses, or would you rather have your counterparty responsible for paying the expenses?
JASMINE GREEN-HOGAN: That's a no-brainer.
MARC ZAHR: That's a no-brainer, right? So it comes down to-- the debate is duration. So if you are signing a three-year lease, that means that you are making a bet that you believe in 36 months, that you can replace that tenant with some other tenant that's going to pay you more. And so from my perspective, I can't tell you what's going to happen next month, let alone in 36 months.
And so the view that we take is as longer is better. The more lease term that you have, the more contractual rent is coming in. And remember, because of the lease structure, I go back and say it's not rent. Its net operating income. So it's actually the bottom line. The longer you have that and the more contractual net operating income growth or rent growth you have, the better. I think it's just simplistic.
JASMINE GREEN-HOGAN: And the mitigation, too-- what we hear oftentimes in contractual parts of portfolios is the releasing risk is what you're describing. It's helpful to have you bring it to life in that way. I think one of the things clients continue to think about and really ask us about in any conversation across asset classes, not even just real estate, is, what has the asset class done historically? And
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we know that past performance isn't always the best indicator of go-forward but I do think seeing what an asset class or what a sector has done in times of distress can be helpful-- for one, just assessing what level of risk you may be stepping into, but also having an understanding of what liquidity may exist and what liquidity might not exist.
So idea four, for everyone who's still trekking along with us-- this, I think, brings to life, again, the net lease sort of income that has existed historically through a particular period of time here, '08 through 2010. How do you think about how this asset class has performed through times of volatility, and what are your expectations in general for how you think about the way it fares through further cycles?
MARC ZAHR: So again I go back to this, and I'm extremely biased because it's what we've built our real assets platform on and what we believe is the right durable nature of investing. And so when you go back to the global financial crisis, you saw a lot of asset classes' values drop dramatically. Long-duration, triple net lease backed by investment-grade tenants held up really, really well. Because again, you're sitting there in a situation where that net rent was still coming in every single month unless you saw a default from the company on paying the rent, which was really, really low during that period of time.
Another great example of this was not in the global financial crisis, was during the global pandemic. I think it's the first real test that any of us faced as investors after the GFC about 11 years or so later. And so the easiest way to measure a real estate manager during that period of time is, how much rent did they collect when the world was shut down? And I think if you look at the data, historically, net lease did far better than most other sectors from a rent collection standpoint.
JASMINE GREEN-HOGAN: Sure. And I can imagine that if you've done your diligence, you're working with an institutional partner who has the capability, the scale, the resources, the team, and again, deep focus on structure and credit quality. I can imagine, too, that you stepped into it with the expectation that distress could, in fact, happen.
MARC ZAHR: Absolutely.
JASMINE GREEN-HOGAN: Yeah. And again, exactly one of the things that you were speaking to as far as risk and key considerations that clients should be thinking about. So
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the thing that I want us to end on, idea five, is just all of the things we should get excited about. You talked a little bit about sectors when we first started, mentioned cold storage, mentioned data centers.
But I think in the spirit of the triple net lease playbook, if you will, that you've experienced and that you've built your platform and your business on, what is it about essential retail, industrial, cold storage, and data center, as just three examples, that get you most excited? And are there any shifts you expect to see over the next decade, or really a continuation of maybe these three sectors in focus?
MARC ZAHR: So generally, people hate my answer when I give this.
JASMINE GREEN-HOGAN: OK, well, I'll brace myself.
MARC ZAHR: Yeah, because look, we try to be-- I try to be-- and I try to talk to our team about this all the time-- try to be sector-agnostic. And most groups that you talk to say we have this view, we have this theme that this is where we want to be allocating money. And I think you can get in trouble with that.
So you want to be nimble enough to say, OK, where do we see the most value today? And then go back to your disciplined criteria. A triple net lease-- check. Long duration, i.e. 15-plus years-- check. Good credit quality, having a counterparty that you feel good about-- check. Focusing on your entry point, not just saying, oh, we love this market or we love this sector, and we're willing to pay anything to get in there because there's going to be so much growth.
So for all those reasons, we try to be sector-agnostic. That said, since probably 2017, until very recently, there were two main sectors that we have focused on because they have been, in our opinion, extremely resilient. One is essential retail. What's essential retail?
Essential retail are assets that most of us use regardless of the economic environment-- grocery store, gas and convenience, auto parts retailerm and industrial. And when people talk about industrial, they say it in such a general sense. Within industrial, there are so many different subsectors.
So we like distribution. There's a lot of robotics and automation happening in that sector today. We think that's really interesting. We like manufacturing, light and heavy. And a lot of groups stayed away from heavy manufacturing. We think it's actually very compelling because of the mission criticality to the companies. They pour so much money into the asset themselves.
And last and certainly not least is what we talked about earlier, which is data centers. Supply-demand imbalance is unlike anything that I have seen. And then when you double click on that supply demand imbalance and you look at the nature of those leases-- the structures, the length, the net operating income growth, and the credit quality of those hyperscalers-- Microsoft, Google, Amazon-- they are some of the best credits around. And so from our perspective, that's where we are seeing the most value today.
JASMINE GREEN-HOGAN: Sure. And I love you bringing to life some of the hyperscalers-- one, for their credit qualityness, all investment-grade in nature. But I think it also speaks to how you're thinking about the sectors. To your point around being agnostic, you're not doubling down or building a portfolio around one theme or one sector because you feel like you have to, but looking for the best opportunities.
When you think about a go-forward, just in the spirit of all that's happening with AI and the build-out around data centers and continued growth there, what is your expectation, call it, for the next decade? Is it just further growth? Is there a tap-out in spending? How are the companies and partners that you're talking to thinking about their growth? Is there a slowdown near term?
MARC ZAHR: We are not seeing any slowdown anywhere. And so again, when you're not seeing any slowdown anywhere and you are in a good position from a capital standpoint, i.e. to pick and choose what deals you want to do--
JASMINE GREEN-HOGAN: Sure. I'm sure that's key.
MARC ZAHR: You can be really selective. You can focus on the best credit quality. You can not agree to certain things in leases that others may agree to. So being extremely selective and sticking to your criteria and trying to reduce risk where you can is what every investor should be focused on.
JASMINE GREEN-HOGAN: Sure. In the spirit of things that investors should be focused on, do you think there's one common misconception with the triple net lease structure or this part of the business that maybe people have wrong or just thinking about in a different way?
MARC ZAHR: Yeah, and I think it was actually proven out very recently. I think for many years, investors, and maybe other groups that didn't do this, would say that net lease isn't a good inflation hedge because in a rising inflationary environment, you should be able to increase your rents so dramatically. But what's key, and what we just saw in the environment that we just lived through-- what happens in an inflationary environment? What definitely goes up is the expense side of the equation.
JASMINE GREEN-HOGAN: That's right.
MARC ZAHR: Taxes go up dramatically. Insurance costs go up dramatically. In some of the best real estate markets, California and Florida, you couldn't even get insurance at a certain period of time.
JASMINE GREEN-HOGAN: That's right.
MARC ZAHR: The cost to build increases so much. Your utilities go up-- all of these things that, if you are in a gross lease, you're on the hook for. So you're trying to catch up to all these expenses. And if you're in a short-duration asset, you're trying to increase your rent more than this expense that's running away from you. And if you're in the wrong sector, such as multi-tenant office at that time period, you're in trouble. So I think net lease is an excellent inflation hedge because the tenant in the building is covering the expense side of the equation, and your net operating income is going up contractually.
JASMINE GREEN-HOGAN: Sure. Just another lever in the playbook that clients can be thinking about to build into their portfolios. That's super helpful.
Well, one, I want to thank you for your time. We got five ideas. I think we did it in 25 minutes. But I really want to thank all of you who joined us this morning or this afternoon, wherever you're watching and listening from. We will continue to have these conversations. I hope they resonate. I hope they're helpful.
But in the spirit of time, I think I can sneak maybe one more in. And I think one of the things that I just want us to end on is in all that you've seen over the past-- call it 12 months-- you speak to a lot of investors. You speak to a lot of strategic partners. Is there anything that you've heard in every single conversation?
And I'm sure you've talked about geopolitical risk and all of the conflict that's happening around the world. You've talked about data centers and AI and so on and so forth. But is there anything that every investor, every partner that you were talking to was thinking about? Maybe it was inflation, maybe it was the administration. What are the things, maybe, that you're hearing around the world that people are thinking about?
MARC ZAHR: I can't say every, but I can say something that has dominated most of the conversations that I've had recently is much more of a focus on durability of income versus chasing total returns. It seems to me that based on the environment that we've just lived through, investors are much more focused on something that they can count on. And I know it's hard to say that you can count on anything, but I think that's why this is resonating so much more in the conversations that I'm having.
JASMINE GREEN-HOGAN: Sure. Well, one, I think interesting because it's not too dissimilar from a lot of the client conversations I've had over the past year. I think more than ever, real estate has entered the conversation again. Infrastructure has entered the conversation again, really for all of the reasons we love-- lower correlation to public equities, again, inflation protection to the extent you can build that in, and ultimately, diversification in a portfolio. So thank you for bringing that to life.
And I want to thank everyone for their time. We'll be back next month with another episode. Thank you all for spending time with us.
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KEY RISKS OF INVESTING IN ALTERNATIVES. Valuation. Because of overall size or concentration in particular markets of positions held by the alternative investment fund or other reasons, the value at which its investments can be liquidated may differ, sometimes significantly, from the interim valuations arrived at by the alternative investment fund. Private investments are subject to special risks. Individuals must meet specific suitability standards before investing. This information does not constitute an offer to sell or a solicitation of an offer to buy. As a reminder, hedge funds (or funds of hedge funds), private equity funds, real estate funds often engage in leveraging and other speculative investment practices that may increase the risk of investment loss. These investments can be highly illiquid, and are not required to provide periodic pricing or valuation information to investors, and may involve complex tax structures and delays in distributing important tax information. These investments are not subject to the same regulatory requirements as mutual funds; and often charge high fees. Further, any number of conflicts of interest may exist in the context of the management and/or operation of any such fund. For complete information, please refer to the applicable offering memorandum. Securities are made available through J.P. Morgan Securities LLC, Member FINRA, and SIPC, and its broker-dealer affiliates. Hedge funds (or funds of hedge funds) often engage in leveraging and other speculative investment practices that may increase the risk of investment loss. These investments can be highly illiquid, and are not required to provide periodic pricing or valuation information to investors, and may involve complex tax structures and delays in distributing important tax information. These investments are not subject to the same regulatory requirements as mutual funds; and often charge high fees. Further, any number of conflicts of interest may exist in the context of the management and/or operation of any such fund. For complete information, please refer to the applicable offering memorandum.
Liquid alternative funds are registered funds that seek to accomplish the fund's objectives through non-traditional investments and trading strategies. They differ significantly from both hedge funds and traditional mutual funds because they can be redeemed on any business day, they are said to be liquid. Such funds do not follow the typical buy and hold strategy of a traditional mutual fund and generally hold more nontraditional investments and use more complex trading strategies than a traditional mutual fund, which may make an investment in a liquid alternative fund riskier. Non-traditional investments may include, but not limited to private equity, derivatives, commodities, real estate, distressed debt and hedge funds. While investments in private equity funds provide potential for attractive returns, access to opportunities not available in the public markets and diversification, they also present significant risks including illiquidity, long-term time horizons, loss of capital and significant execution and operating risks that are not typically present in public equity markets. Private equity funds typically have a 10-15 year term and will begin to monetize investments after holding them for 4-5 years.
KEY RISKS OF INVESTING IN ALTERNATIVES. Hedge funds (or funds of hedge funds) often engage in leveraging and other speculative investment practices that may increase the risk of investment loss; can be highly illiquid; are not required to provide periodic pricing or valuation information to investors; may involve complex tax structures and delays in distributing important tax information; are not subject to the same regulatory requirements as mutual funds; and often charge high fees. Further, any number of conflicts of interest may exist in the context of the management and/or operation of any hedge fund. Economy, currency, tax and market conditions, including market liquidity, may increase the risks of these investments and may impact performance of the funds. The views and strategies described herein may not be suitable for all investors, and more complete information is available which discusses risks, liquidity, and other matters of interest. Hedge funds (or funds of hedge funds) often engage in leveraging and other speculative investment practices that may increase the risk of investment loss; can be highly illiquid; are not required to provide periodic pricing or valuation information to investors; may involve complex tax structures and delays in distributing important tax information; are not subject to the same regulatory requirements as mutual funds; and often charge high fees. Further, any number of conflicts of interest may exist in the context of the management and/or operation of any hedge fund. Any investment associated with leverage will include additional risks such as implied volatility, exposure to rising interest rates (borrowing costs) and margin calls, which may occur if the underlying investment declines below its minimum lending values. Leverage will have the effect of magnifying losses or gains. Please note that lines of credit are extended at the discretion of J.P. Morgan, and J.P. Morgan has no commitment to extend a line of credit or make loans available under the line of credit. Margin calls may include sale of the asset serving as collateral if the collateral value declines below the amount required to secure the line of credit. In exercising its remedies, J.P. Morgan will not be required to marshal assets or act in accordance with any fiduciary duty it otherwise might have.
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